New hatchling on August 13th!

I just hatched out this little spengleri on August 13th.  Perfect in every way.  I tried to take a time-lapse video but the battery on the camera died.

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Future Breeder – Female Geoemyda Spengleri

After breeding this species for 14 years every so often I hatch one out that amazes me with it’s brilliant color right out of the egg.  I usually am tempted to hold back those super colored spengleri.  This particular female hatched out with an intense red all over her body.  I decided to hold her back as a future breeder.  Now she is about another season away from being able to breed and her colors are better than ever!  I can’t wait to see what she produces next year.  This photo doesn’t do her justice.  I will post more than show off all her red coloration.  Here she is!

 

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First egg of 2014!

I found this Geoemyda spengleri egg on May 29th, 2014.  It came from my largest female and my oldest female.  I’ve had her since 1999 and she has produced ever since that time.  She was already a full grown imported adult when I obtained her.  I wouldn’t hesitate to say she was at least 20 years old or more when I obtained her judging by her size and carapacial wear.  That would make her at least 35 years old in my guesstimation.  Being such small turtles I think many people assume they don’t share the same long life span as their fellow chelonians such as Galapagos tortoises or North American box turtles.  This particular season she mated with a CB male that I produced a few years ago.  This male is young and this is his first season as a breeder.  He is young but definitely gets the job done!  He has quite the sex drive.  So it will be interesting to see what his offspring look like since this is his first time mating with a female.  The dam is a very deep pumpkin orange and quite big (for a spengleri) and flat.

The egg found immediately after being laid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The egg on June 22, 2014.  You can see it’s fertile and banded very well.

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EGGS!

I received two eggs on May 18th from a female Geoemyda japonica!  Both looked good initially but only one ended up being fertile.  I’m very excited about this one egg as I can see the eyeball and the outline of the turtle when I candle it.  Candling the egg requires the use of a flashlight.  I used an LED flashlight as it’s brighter and doesn’t heat the egg up because it doesn’t produce much heat.  Here are the egg measurements:  Egg #1 49.29mm x 23.52mm, Egg #2 43.35mm x 23.98mm.

 

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A second Geoemyda japonica mating for the year

This female already laid one clutch of eggs from a different male.  Today she mated with a new male and I’m hoping she will lay one more clutch before the season is over.  Turtles can retain sperm for a long time but hopefully this new sperm will take and it will be a slightly different bloodline from the other male.  I want her to get used to this newer male.  He is younger and more vibrant but she still prefers the other older and bigger male.

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The Egg Waiting Game!

All the Geoemyda spengleri females have been mated for 2012 and now the egg waiting game begins!  At this time I really feed the females heavier than normal to build up sufficient nutrients for egg development and laying.  Nightcrawlers and pinky mice are used as a treat for females that are about to become gravid.  They are small turtles but the females can devour a pinky mouse with no problem!  I tend to use frozen/thawed pinky mice rather than live as it is cheaper, easier, and not as gruesome to watch!  If you are planning on breeding your Geoemyda spengleri, be sure and give the females plenty of egg laying spots!  They don’t dig quite as deep of a nest as other turtle species but they will appreciate a mossy area to “sweep” over the eggs.  This area should be humid but not wet.  Remove the eggs immediately to be incubated in a separate container.  G. spengleri can sometimes accidentally crack their eggs.   G. japonica will sometimes EAT their eggs!  It’s always safest if you remove the eggs away from the adults.

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TSD, does it exist in Geoemyda spengeri?

Recently I saw a post in any online group about whether or not Geoemyda spengleri used temperature sex determination in their eggs and if lowering the incubation temperature would increase the likelihood of a male hatchling.  Here is the response that I posted:

“I’m not sure if lowering the incubation temp will help.  I don’t think G. spengleri have TSD and it would be really hard to test.  If low temperatures produced males we would see a lot of CB males because many keepers use “room temperature” to incubate their eggs.  In order to prove TSD the temperatures must remain constant throughout incubation.  To test the lower temperature scale the breeder would need a room temperature that is quite low to keep a stable temperature in the low 70′s inside the incubator.  If the room temperature is too close to the desired incubator temperature it will have an increased ability to affect the incubator’s temperature or raise above the desired incubator temperature.  That would ruin the consistency needed for TSD studies.  I incubate in a basement and I am able to keep consistent temps at 79F without any fluctuation and I would imagine I could go down to about 75F.  Any lower and the room temperature fluctuations could spike above my incubator temp.  G. spengleri have a very low tolerance for incubation temperature fluctuation in either direction.  If you incubate over 80F the hatch rate decreases considerably.  With such a small variation in safe incubation temperatures for this species I would imagine that TSD would not function as it would in a species that can tolerate a wide range of temps.  Usually a species will have several layers of TSD.  A low temp produces one sex, the midline produces mixed sex, and the high temps produce the opposite sex.  In a species that has so few degrees to play with it seems improbable to me in G. spengleri.  You never know with nature however and it is worth looking into.  Now that I have an incubator that remains constant I can test several different temperatures to see if it produces anything consistent as far as TSD goes.  It will take some time to raise up babies and I usually sell a few so I would rely on the person purchasing them to relay the sex to me.  Time will tell and it will take a lot of time!”

UPDATE: Someone suggested that TSD could be studied by the following method: “However, I don’t agree that the temperature has to be a single degree point or extremely tight confines to develop a valid research design. Something like “low” (63-68), “medium” (68-73), and “high” (73-78) should be reasonable. Some folks might like to add the “super high” temperature range (for this species) that swings into the 80s. Anyway, that’s just my thought, if someone wants to set up a study.”

My response: “The problem with using “low, medium, and high” in temperature studies is that you are deciding what constitutes the definition of low, medium, and high. You could say the low realm reaches 68F at the high end but it could be the low realm for midline “mixed sex.” That would throw off the results, or at least the interpretation of those results.  Also, how long was the egg exposed to the lower realm of “low” compared to the higher end? Maybe I’m being too strict but I feel for true temperature studies you need to focus on individual results from a single temperature at a time. Like I said, it would require a very cool room to study the lower temps without problems as most incubators heat without cooling. If a room exceeds the target temp it wouldn’t work. Even if I was fortunate to have an incubator that cooled as well as heated I think the accuracy might not be as good as an incubator that is proportional and simply heats in a cool room.  I agree, the cooler the eggs the longer the incubation and it exposes the eggs to potential problems for a longer period. The last few seasons I’ve had a 100% hatch rate. The turtles aren’t doing anything different, it’s their human that finally got his act together.”

I feel if individual temperatures are studied the results can be interpreted more successfully rather than deciding what constitutes low, middle, and high beforehand.  It could be there is no high or low and that the safe temperatures all produce mixed sex.  It will be interesting to discover what the results are and it will take a very long time with a species that generally produces two eggs per season!  This year I am going to try and test one or two temperatures with my eggs.

Please post and share your thoughts and comments about TSD in Geoemyda spengleri!

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